Recently I am sure I had the opportunity to have some "fun" with a guy I know vaguely
I didn't
But I am sure I could have in buckets.
The guy was in a long term but what he also described as an open relationship
Open relationships to me smack of an indulgent "having your cake and eating it mentality"
Children playing at being adults.
but I was temped.....after all he was cute and I am a sucker for a twinkle in the eye
Its a value judgement I know, at a time that we are all supposed to be non judgemental and objective
Pah!
Recently I had cause to be engaged in a conversation with someone who potentially could have sexually abused children.
I was measured and professional and the interaction remained measured and professional throughout
but the experience left me feeling slightly uneasy and conflicted.
Cognitive dissonance happens to us all.
I knew a decent and Christian acting woman who had a long term relationship with a married man for years. A man who never left his wife and marital home.
It was a fact that Just Was- it neither defined her but also like in many cases like the twinkling eyed gay guy in that fantasy open relationship, it was never really challenged or explored properly.
Cognitive dissonance grumbles away at people like a mild toothache which waxes and wanes
You live with it and the dentist isn't contacted.
Its all about self awareness in the end. Self awareness and priority of need.
I can be conflicted with an interaction with a potential paedophile but I can see that with its "professional" boundaries in place.
I can walk away from a roll in the hay with a guy who has a loving husband because the need for the roll is less than the need to respect the institution of marriage.
when both the roll and the respect have similar weight in my hierarchy of needs ….that's when the toothache begins.
There are so many people out there...….that have never grown up
Hmmm.... cognitive dissonance. Yes, it happens. We always deal with people who suffer it and we suffer it from time to time. I note it especially in deeply religious people or in people who are convinced they need to justify their political leanings to us.
ReplyDeleteNow, when it comes to relationships -or sex- I always reserve judgment to after I have learned some facts. Here, the only one that makes me queasy is the one conversation with the person who may have abused children. I have never been in that situation and I have no idea if I could stay calm. Really.
As for the fun with the guy in a relationship and the lady who was ‘the other woman’, I think those are garden variety sins. We all know someone who have incurred in those, and that’s what makes me think that they are part of human nature?
Relationships are a full time job. Monogamy takes work. I have ordered both topics and that has lead me to read Sex at Dawn (Ryan and Jetha) and I have listened to talks by Dan Savage and Esther Perel on those topics and I have learned a ton of stuff that helped me understand more those issues. A few times I’ve gone for the swift condemnation. Most times I’ve had to take a deep breath.
Goddess that was long.
XoXo
Yes. The deep breath is always good dissonance or not....
DeleteDo what is comfortable is how I approach things. If it's uncomfortable then explore that and why?
I have always found flirtation much more exciting than anything else, and it can be done between people quite innocently and harmlessly.
ReplyDeleteThere is a lot to be said for this approach
Delete... leading to full-blown and unfettered shagging... (or fettered if that's what you want...)
Deletei don't really suffer from that. having raised myself, i never had that luxury.
ReplyDeleteWell done John on being honest with yourself and true being to a decent person. You deserve more than a roll in the hay and so does the other man’s partner. Open relationship means to me that you don’t really care for the other person. If you do then you don’t play around!
ReplyDeleteI've never done or accepted the open relationship phenonomen . I don't really think it works totally for couples who subscribe, even though many would say it does...
Deletesomeone eventually will get hurt
I know couples for whom it works, and couples who have tried it and it was a disaster. It's useful for bisexual people, though!
DeleteAs to Twinkle Eye, it sounds like you personal values, overrode a moment of fun - that is what values are about sometimes. Back in my single days I was the "other man" a couple of times- it was a betrayal of my values and I have regrets.
ReplyDeleteI always think how would the other half TRULY feel if they knew.....despite caveats to the contrary
Delete"The need for the roll is less than the need to respect the institution of marriage." I agree entirely, I've never got involved with someone who's married. I wouldn't want to be responsible for the marriage collapsing. Unless it's collapsing already of course.
ReplyDeleteIndeed
DeleteWould it be possible to report the possible pedophile?
ReplyDeleteNo.
DeleteAs is the words of Jiminy Cricket 'always let your conscience be your guide.'
ReplyDeleteGood man, John Gray.
ReplyDeleteSimone has the right of it. I dated a guy who specialized in selling child porn. I'm a little queasy about it now, but then I got a good poem out of it.
ReplyDelete??????????
DeleteWTF?
DeleteExactly
DeleteWTF seconded!.
Delete"To thine own self be true." - Polonius
ReplyDeleteSo very true when said and still so very true.
Hugs!
There is always a price to be paid for a 'bit of fun'. Self respect is far more important.
ReplyDeleteBut I'm no nun either sue x
DeleteI have seen so much hurt caused by infidelity that I would hesitate to go down that road myself. Mind you, I am probably past it now anyway.
ReplyDeleteIt is so beneficial to be the older, wiser adviser. I think back on a casual acquaintance, emerging from a long and abusive marriage. She was rhapsodizing about a new acquaintance, whisking her to exciting experiences. "But, Sue, he's a married man" all we friends exclaimed, in answer to her request for advice. I wonder what ever became of her.
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ReplyDeleteI remember when open relationships were more of a thing. It was never for me but I knew people that tried it. You made a wise decision for in my opinion those situations lead to more pain and loss than any positive experience. Know and respect your own values for they are the roots on which you grow.
ReplyDeleteI think it's what's called being human, John. The choice to do or not do, to compartmentalize behaviour to remain sane and with some self-worth, it is what keeps us from teetering over the edge. I don't know anyone who can get by without one rationalization every day. I know I do.
ReplyDeleteMike
Knowing and living your values is the best way to go. It both empowers you and never lets you down.
ReplyDeleteI was writing to John, not someone who won't post their identity.
DeleteIt's hard to say no when loneliness is biting but the loneliness is worse after saying yes to the wrong things.
ReplyDeleteWe all have our own standards John, but your last sentence hits the nail on the head.
ReplyDeleteAll saints. As ever.
ReplyDeleteYou are a good man John.
ReplyDeleteI'm going to need this translating into something far more simple, it's too complicated for my simple brain :o(
ReplyDeleteWhich word didn't you understand? Try Googling it.
DeleteIndeed
DeleteYour are a good man John. I have been on all sides of this topic. In the past I too was approached by a guy in a relationship with another guy...and couldn't do it...but when a guy who was married to a woman approached me, I went threw with it. Figure that one out?
ReplyDeleteMaybe you assumed the guy was gay (which makes sense) and figured the marriage was bit of a sham.
DeleteI wouldn't want an open relationship myself, but it seems to work for some people. I'm not sure about the long-term odds, though. Like you I tend to be a little more tradition-minded.
ReplyDeleteI heard a woman discussing monogamy on National Pubic Radio in the US. She said monogamy can no longer be guaranteed in modern relationships. It has to be discussed and negotiated. I may have to agree with her.
ReplyDeleteGood for you and your values
ReplyDeleteLoneliness in people can make for bad choices
What is good at the moment in time is the answer, but is the pain and guilt worth the pleasure.
ReplyDeleteHaving an ex who now has three children by three different women over twenty years, tells me the answer has to be no. It is the children who feel the pain long term...
I don't go with fucking around with people in committed relationships however "open" they claim to be. Having had to get an aids test because my ex decided f...ing around was ok I call a big no on that one. He had a choice - oblivious me didn't!
ReplyDeleteI was mentoring a new young teacher who told me off-handedly that he fantasized about having sex with his young teen students. That crossed the line with me and I turned him in. Teachers need to protect their students even from themselves. The young teacher lost his job but he was in the wrong profession.
ReplyDeletePersonally, I just want my own husband and not someone else's.
ReplyDeleteMost of us have one form of 'arrested development' or another.
ReplyDeleteI believe lust can mask itself in many forms and we kid ourselves that it is something higher on the 'moral/ethical' scale.
In the past I was very dissonant. I left you a note out of my past experience, and I apologize.
ReplyDeleteIt was today’s comment that at least you got a good poem out of it that got me.
DeleteI posted the poem today just for you.
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