I always found the slightly sanitised Russell Brand vaguely amusing. His overly pompous way of challenging pomposity tickled me in its irony and could see why the BBC Thought he was a little bit of a darling and a trendy challenge to they grey suits and grey hairs that fill the organisation .
But then we didn’t then see his stand up. A stand up that revealed his leopard spots, his crude way of viewing some women and his misogyny.
Glinting eyes and a persona reminiscent of a cartoon wolf he underlined in the most crudest of ways what he thought of rough oral sex, and he lost me in that second, as I suspect he did of many of his audience members.
He crossed the line and the level headed and fair BBC documentary Dispatches illustrated its point perfectly with that one vile clip that was shown.
Masks, we all wear.
They protect others from seeing the real us
They sanitize and provide a screen on which we project the more acceptable and socially polite self
But masks can slip
Sometimes they do just for a second
And when they do, I will always stick to my gut feeling , to that inner voice
Which tells u
This person is poison
I always found him creepy right from the beginning so never watched him. Sounds as though I didn't miss anything.
ReplyDeleteLike I said I found him amusing but a one trick pony where verbosity was used as a weapon .Kenneth Williams employed the same vitriol in private though we saw some of it when he was unleashed in Just A Minute
DeleteOver the years I have learnt to put trust in my initial gut instincts more and more. I never did see the appeal of Russell Brand - such a supreme egotist.
ReplyDeleteWe all have this gut feeling , but how many of us forget it?
DeleteI can't really comment John as I have never seen him on TV or off it. But I do hate the way the papers tear people to shreds whether or not they deserve it.
ReplyDeleteAmen Pat!
DeleteI agree too, but there was one moment in the tv documentary where there was a flash of nastiness from Brand. A flash where the mask was ripped away
DeleteTotally
Sounds like the chickens are coming home to roost.
ReplyDeleteWell such behaviours can’t ever now be acceptable
DeleteI've not seen the BBC documentary mentioned and being of a fairly quiet and reserved disposition myself am not a fan of the extrovert Mr Brand nor his style and behaviour. That said, there has been much opprobrium and a huge media and public pile-on against him. But - until charges are brought, and if taken before a court and proven guilty, then of course the proverbial book should be thrown at him. I am not defending him, but at the moment this is trial by media and the public are taking this at face value. We can recall others being subjected to this sort of thing and their lives ruined even though they are innocent. Even saintly Cliff Richard had BBC helicopters buzzing his house when a police raid was under way for what turned out to be fictitious s3xual assault claims. Brand may well be another Jimmy Savile, or there may be people with axes to grind against him, but until charges are brought - and if so he stands before a jury, people should really hold their fire. We may not like someone for many reasons but it is not a reason to hang them.
ReplyDeleteA good point well made. The documentary was damming
DeleteHe was clever. In the end, I wonder if that was his undoing? If he thought that he was so clever that he could do whatever he wanted because he was clever enough to get away with it. His vulgarity was cheered on and made him a lot of money until people began to realize he wasn't playing a character. He was playing himself.
ReplyDeleteMuch of his behaviour in those days a decade ago may have been fuelled by drug use ( an observation not an excuse)
DeleteThe playing of self rather than a character , I’m still not sure about , but I’m sure you could be right
What you see on the surface is not always what lurks below. Eventually most people show their true colors.
ReplyDeleteYes and mave’s comment reflected his good side.
DeleteI have to balance my feelings but some facets of someone’s personalities just cannot be accepted
I've never liked his skewed and crude humor. There are plenty of really funny people to laugh with in the world - thank God.
ReplyDeleteLove your poem, too.
Hugs!
There is a place for crude…I love a smutty joke , it’s all about degree
DeleteIn my mind he is much like Jimmy Carr, who I unfortunately had tickets to see live, I find it very lacking when they have to be so crude, and any jokes against women, even told by women are just a nono for me. They both make me cringe.
ReplyDeleteI too have seen Jimmy Carr live and found him to be utterly repulsive. Perhaps we just don't "get" his "humour".
DeleteJimmy Carr, Frankie Boyle Ricky Gervase and the like make a living by shock tactics
DeleteAnd Gervase is persuasive when arguing the point of his humour….I guess there’s always a step too far
I agree it shouldn’t be trial by media. Having said that given the libel laws in England and Wales I am pretty sure that the Times’, Sunday Times’ and Channel 4’s lawyers would have been all over this before allowing it to go to print/air.
ReplyDeleteI am finding it quite interesting those who have come to his defence. Tucker Carlson, Andrew Tate - not company I would want to keep. It’s a good narrative “the spoke out against main stream media and the global elite” and now “they” want to get him. Completely ignoring the fact that he was raking in millions with his you tube videos of verbal salad.
PS Dispatches is Channel 4 not BBC
Had it been BBC that would have been an opportunity for more BBC bashing.
Apologies of course it’s channel 4
DeletePerhaps Brand’s time is up. His behaviour and persona has a timespan of its own
I never liked his comedy but my opinion changed of him when I bumped into him in Pret a Porter at Euston station on my last visit to London. I had my legs back then but was walking stooped on walking sticks. I was behind him in the queue and he kindly paid for my order and expected nothing in return. Sadly years later the allegations have surfaced and I find myself in the dilemma of having my opinion changed again.
ReplyDeleteWe all have facets to our personality .good and bad…it’s what you can live with I guess
DeleteI would never trust the man. That is just my own gut reaction to him.
ReplyDeleteAnd go with it
DeleteI don't believe in trial by media, but I always thought there was something creepy about Brand. A man who brags that he's slept with thousands of women just shows the low regard he has for them. The so-called joke he and Jonathon Ross played on Andrew Sachs was cruel and disgusting. That really put me off both of them. You couldn't pay me enough to watch either of them.
ReplyDeleteI thought he was a revolting slug from day one.
ReplyDeleteSuccinctly put
DeleteJust read your comment on Cro’s page - you don’t normally post on things controversial or political - not that I see the Brand story as either. You are right, watch the Dispatches documentary, do some research. Not only is Ursula and idiot but so are the others on Cro’s page who are supporting him.
ReplyDeleteTraveller is not going to get into name calling, ha ha.
DeleteNo I don’t, but my feelings about Brand after hearing his stand up changed me , despite the other charges
DeleteI have always found his look, his demeanor and his style repulsive. He is one of those people who, even if only watching on TV, makes you want to check the dirt that might be underneath your fingernails as a result.
ReplyDeleteAll the opprobrium being heaped on his head now is mainly people who have seen the bad side of him across the years but have never dared speak out before.
He is, yet again, an example of the cliche that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. And as mentioned above, the Andrew Sachs business was an all time low for anyone, anywhere. I find it unfair but typical that Jonathon Ross got away with that so lightly, and I find his presence on Classic FM these days to be hypocritical and a sad event. Perhaps this is another reason the radio station is losing listeners?
There is not, it seems, that much difference these days between viewed as being a naughty boy and then a dirty middle aged man.
Powerful thoughts Liz
DeleteHaving and needing an audience is a powerful thing
My thoughts exactly, Liz, on all the points you raise.
DeleteI saw a picture of him two days ago..he looked like a maniac.
ReplyDeleteTo be fair he’s always looked like that
DeleteI join others in recalling the Andrew Sachs incident, oh l shagged your grandaughter, thought l would ring you up to tell you and here is my mate Ross to metaphorically ' hold the coats and keep watch' whilst we give an old man a roasting. Pair of wankers and still earning money as some sort of celebrity status. Tossers need to be out of the limelight and banished from the media. Tess
ReplyDeleteIf only everyone could see these truths before the damage is done. Although I found Brand funny at times, I never really liked him much.
ReplyDeleteHindsight
DeleteI've never minded crude comedy if it doesn't employ "punching down" - going for someone with less power and influence.
ReplyDeleteI was treated to a Russell Brand standup show in Manchester years ago and loved it.
He went weird during Covid and I lost interest in him.
He is lauded by the likes of Andrew Tate now which is tragic and worst of all was his needless cruelty of the granddaughter of Andrew Sachs.
His biography describes his initiation into sex by his father which is frankly bizarre and may have affected his view of women long term.
I don't normally comment on people I've never met but there are more layers to his story than one.
I understand and agree with your first sentence completely .it’s about laughing together and not laughing at with malicious intent.
DeleteWell Yellow Shoes, comedy should not be about putting other people down. That is one of the reasons I dislike so much 1970s comedy. Perhaps at the time it seemed innocuous because the power differential was accepted back then (male/female, gay/straight) but hopefully things have moved on a bit since then. Put yourself down by all means but don’t do it to others.
DeleteSorry, fat thumbs, I meant “well done yellow Shoes”
DeleteI am not a fan of Russel Brand, but I am not a fan of people dragging up things from 10 to 15 years ago. Opinions, and memories change. I would rather see him charge at the time the allegations occurred. These things could have come out during the height of the me to movement.
ReplyDeleteIt’s Britain , we are always a little behind
DeleteCrimes committed 10 to 15 years ago are still crimes. Just saying.
DeleteThings that happened to me when I was younger, I didn't speak of to anyone, or I didn't realise till later were not consensual and I just bore them as my own shame. As adults my sis and I spoke of some of the things our evil stepfather did to us as kids for the first time. We decided we had no chance of bringing him to justice (he could break or use the law with great finesse) but if anyone had ever come forward and begun the process, we would surely have joined in with the knowledge that numbers would make us and them more likely to be believed. Shame and not expecting to be believed keep many victims of abuse or assault silent for many years, or forever. Perhaps this began with 2 women realising they had had similar experiences.
DeleteAnon above, I understand all you said and sympathise. Unfortunately I don't have a sister to confide in and the vile person who was supposed to be my father is now dead. What happened stays with me, now in my late 60's and it comes in my mind every day. I won't ever tell anyone.
DeleteThose who say get therapy or counselling don't really realise how it affects someone, I could never utter a word about any of it to another person and this anon comment is as far as it goes.
Thank you for your honesty
DeleteAbsolutely
ReplyDeleteHe's a bully, and I do not like people who, as Yellow Shoes so well stated, employ "punching down" techniques in their existence.
ReplyDeleteHe played a character in "Forgetting Sarah Marshall" and for some reason I thought that his character was probably not far from the real him. Who really knows another? But I am not a fan of conspiracy theories and it often takes years for women to understand what was done to them and then to have the courage to speak up.
ReplyDeleteHe always made my spidey senses tingle. He has a cruel mouth that always looks like he just ate (or thought) something bitter (or mean). Tina in west oz
ReplyDeleteTime will be the greatest judge. Will he be prosecuted? We'll all have to wait and see.
ReplyDeleteOh dear , the Dispatches documentary, hahahaha
ReplyDeletehow can anyone be this Naive,
Latest witch hunt of someone who goes against the narrative.
trial by media is very dangerous, for obvious reasons
Anna
Watch the documentary Anna. It has nothing about “going against the narrative”.
DeleteI wonder how people can be as naive to believe this…they were out to get him, it is all a stitch up etc etc