The “Dont Hurt Him” Conversation



 I still listen to The Archers and will occasionally refer to the long standing radio show here, when certain subjects of interest raise their heads over the mundane.
Last night matriarch Jill ( 91 year old Patricia Greene) was having a bit of a heart to heart with her grandson’s twenty something girlfriend over a quiche.
Now I am the first to say that The Archers can at times be incredibly heavy handed and prescriptive, and to be honest that is part of its charm, I feel, but last night I felt the scene between old lady and young woman had a certain poignancy about it.
Only last month , it was broadcasted that Green was leaving the soap after playing the velvet voiced Jill for over 57 years. No reason rather than retirement was cited, but it was clear to me by listening to the change in the actress’ voice that she was frail and probably rather unwell. 
The scene she was playing revolved around a huge circle in the Archer’s storyline. In the 1950s Jill entered the soap as the lead’s second wife, a city girl, who was morphed into being a country farmer wife and last night’s scene had Jill discussing life with city girl Beth ( Rebecca Fuller) who is her favourite grandson’s girlfriend.
The scene was unhurried and full of gentle pathos with Green’s rasping vocals adding an extra depth to the scene and when eventually Jill turned to Beth and said “ You Won’t hurt him will you?” I was suddenly reminded of a similar, intense conversation from decades ago now.

My grandmother was long dead when I started courting. My mother was never privy to any partners I ever had, but I remember my elder sister meeting my husband to be many years ago now, a meeting she realised for the first time that I had decided that he was a “ keeper”
Just before we drove away from that first family meal, I remember her leaning into the car and saying to my boyfriend with a smile but in a low and rather serious voice. “ Don’t ever hurt him, or you will have me to deal with!”

It was a message , I know he never forgot, for I think it was the first time anyone had spoke to him in such a way.
And It was a message I never forgot also.
Having that matriarch in my corner .

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  1. Anonymous10:11 am

    But what could your sister do when he did hurt you? Cue Haddaway's What is Love.

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    1. Absolutely nothing!!!!
      She was stretching her matriarchal wings

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    2. But I bet that quiet warning came back to haunt Chris many times when he did hurt you. Just knowing you've let someone down when they warned you not to is a very powerful feeling.

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  2. Regarding your relationship with Chris, I know you don't really like others commenting here at Radio 4's "Going Gently" so I shall say nothing. It's not my place. Cue theme music - Terry Wogan singing "The Floral Dance".

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    1. This post isn’t about that YP
      It’s not an indulgent mud slinging post in anyway
      It’s just a memory that surfaced listening to a sad snippet in a radio show

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  3. It's strange how quite small episodes like that stay in one's mind over the years - dormant one thinks for ever - and then suddenly and poignantly rear to the surface at something somebody does or says. And it makes one realise a hurt is still there. Love old friend.

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    1. Not a hurt pat, not really, not today, just a memory xx

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  4. It's comforting to know there's someone in your corner, even if they can't carry out those threats. Just knowing they care about YOU can be enough. Your sisters are real keepers! xx

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    1. My mother wasn’t really strong enough or capable to be an advocate for her kids.

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  5. It sounds creepy to me and not something I would want. I don't think it is a good thing at all for anyone concerned.

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    1. I think creepy is an odd word to use

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    2. Definitely creepy; I would have hated it, causing an uneasy feeling all round.

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    3. These last two posts are saying a lot about your life so far.

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    4. Anonymous11:37 am

      What are you trying to say Rachel ?
      As a regular commentator and friend your comments always seem to have an edge to them.


      Cath

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    6. Anonymous4:27 pm

      Bugger, missed Ursula’s comment before it was axed.

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    7. I was making an observation about difficulties in your life that you may have encountered. Nothing at all bad was meant, it was merely a gut response. I did not deserve the email you sent me.

      To the Anonymous who missed Ursula's comment, she did nothing more than agree with me in a short comment.

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  6. Amazing the things that will trigger a memory. A sidewalk in front of a building here in DC triggers a strong memory for me.

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  7. My Aunt was not afraid to speak up - She was Irish and quite formidable -Very poorly 56 year old mum voiced her cruel treatment recieved from a nurse-My aunt confronted the person very forthrightly -I was grateful as I would have acted too meekly x

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    1. There’s a right and to be fair always a wrong in being forthright , it’s not for everyone
      This post wasn’t about the rights and wrongs
      I just remembered something because of a radio play

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  8. Anonymous11:30 am

    It's very comforting having someone ' in your corner' - since my mum died my sister has taken on that role for me and even though I'm 61 now calls me little sis - lovely
    Alison in Wales

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  9. Whether family or friends, it is nice to have someone in your corner.

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  10. I remember very few conversations I haven't written down. Lucky for me, I have preserved so many.

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    1. Now that’s interesting , please elaborate

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    2. I think by blogs preserve most of my memorable conversations. One I will never forget is a phone call I received from Tinkerbell after my first suicide attempt. It was in the book.

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  11. Oh yes, "the shovel talk," as it's known.

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    1. I’ve never heard that phrase

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    2. A shovel talk is when a romantic lead's friend or family member delivers a threat of violence (credible or humorous) to the romantic lead's significant other. The threat generally describes what will happen to the significant other if they hurt the romantic lead in any way

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    3. I still love the line from the movie Clueless: "I have a .52 and a shovel; I don't think anyone will miss you."

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  12. When my son met his now wife (she adores him by the way), I told her that if she ever hurt him I would rip her arms off and beat her to death with the soggy ends.
    She thought I was joking, but now she knows me well, she knows that while I may not really rip her arms off, I would do everything I could legally do to destroy her if she hurt him badly!
    What's more, I don't give a damn what Rachel or Ursula think! X

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    1. There speaks a loving parent! x

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    3. LOL ... thank you, Col for your end comment! 😄

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    4. Someone said they "would rip my ****ing head off"- Though surprised at the time -I did not take it seriously x

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    5. Maternal love is a powerful force

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    6. Who is this Ursula that her comments must be deleted? She looks friendly enough but I see she hasn't blogged since 2018. Most unpleasant comments on blogs seem to come from "Anonymous"s. Perhaps long term visitors know more about this lady? Intriguing,

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    7. A. You must be new in this town. LOL.

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    8. I am very (very) old. But new here. Pretty much confined to life online these days.

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  13. Well, John, everyone else has commented on the specific comment, so I won't ... I am surprised, however, that anyone listens to programs on the radio these days!
    Enjoy the rest of this day!

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    1. I love radio 4 . It has its critics especially where the reporting of the news is concerned but it remains a quality programme maker

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  14. Anonymous2:43 pm

    Listening to the programme released a memory of you knowing you had and still have someone looking out for you.
    Not creepy just love.

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  15. Reminds me of the possibly fictitious hillbilly/ country western song lyric: "While you are dating my daughter I'll be sittin' here on the front porch---cleaning my gun." More seriously, life and love brings hurt, {in my opinion] nothing good is accomplished by issuing threats. PS Kudos on solo roadtrip!

    lizzy x

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    1. https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/rodneyatkins/cleaningthisguncomeoninboy.html

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    2. I think you are right but the threat wasn’t a real threat as threats go and perhaps that nuance wasn’t explained by me enough.
      Jills comment to Beth of “ don’t hurt him ‘ wasn’t a warning either
      It was a genuine concern
      As was my sister’s comment
      That’s why it sparked the memory
      But I get your point

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  16. Barbara Anne3:38 pm

    Splendid! I hope the thought and dread of her retribution returns to his fickle mind from time to time. It's only right!

    Hugs!

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    1. I think the comment surprised him but given the scheme of things it doesn’t matter any more

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    2. Barbara Anne10:48 pm

      Okay, peace! I remember a comedy when a little brought says to his big brother, "When you least expect it, expect it!" :)

      Hugs!

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  17. Ah yes, those few who truly have our backs are treasures and priceless in this world. Lucky you to have her.

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    1. Yes I’ve always seen it as an example of love rather than anything else .

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  18. Well, if it's possible to be haunted by someone, it sounds like your ex will be contending with your sister for all eternity!

    I am reminded of a boyfriend I had when I was in college. His sister once admonished me never to hurt him, and of course I said, "I won't!" And then promptly broke up with him a month or two later. Because I was 21! Sometimes when you're young you just don't realize the significance of your actions.

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    1. Lol I’m sure he doesn’t give her a second thought

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  19. Anonymous4:42 pm

    My former husband was issued the same sorts of threats by my brothers and cousins. Yet, when he turned his violence on me, none of them came to help me. I had to rescue myself and my daughter. It was harrowing but it taught me a lot about self reliance.
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    1. A sad turn from the original story .
      Another challenge and lesson in self reliance

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  20. It is always nice to have someone in your corner looking out for your best interest. It shows love, support and true care for an individual's well being.

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  21. A nice moment recalled.

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  22. Makes me wonder if, in such situations when the hurt begins, both parties in a relationship may often feel the other has "hurt" them, in some way.

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  23. Anonymous8:18 pm

    I wish I had someone in my corner, looking out for me, watching my back.

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  24. While I have only just begun reading your blog and no nothing of your history this post did bring a memory and some tears. Forty Six years plus ago, when I first introduced my Robert to my mother she said almost the same thing to him. The memory that was brought back was of him holding her hand and when she was in her 90's walking down the street with her. Now he lies next to her in the cemetery. The only "hurt" he ever dealt me was his passing and now he is with his favorite lady. Sad, yes, but a memory I cherish. Thanks.

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    1. Thank you for sharing this.
      Your words moved me too.
      You had him for such a long time , how wonderful was that?
      The only hurt was his passing are powerful words x

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    2. Lovely heartwarming post....

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    3. That is heartbreakingly sad and yet so very beautiful Moran-Newman. You had two very special people in your life by the sounds of it, and that they both loved you is wonderful. xx

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  25. LOL. My son married the youngest daughter of a military man. She also has five older brothers. They all exacted that same promise from him.

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    1. It’s sounding all pretty normalthen lol

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  26. A very momentous statement. Reminded me of a variation on those words I heard myself mindlessly uttering when the men came who were removing my husband's body from our home after his unexpected death. They were placing him in the van and I felt so helpless, that I needed to do something. I called out, "You'll take good care of him, won't you?"

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    1. At work I often preempt this statement when a loved one has died by saying tithe family before they leave that we ( the hospice) will “ look after” the person who has died

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