I never expected to be working full time at 60 years old let alone at 65 or older
(I’m seven months from reaching 60)
And to keep my home safe and my mortgage paid I will need to be in employment until I am almost 70
Nursing full time is physically not really an option for me I know, so recently I’ve had to seriously review my work future
( an odd thing to say seeing that I’m already in receipt of my nursing pension)
I’ve decided to complete my counselling degree.
Back in the 1990s I completed several counselling courses at Sheffield Uni but too much time has gone by for those to be of any use to me now, so I have to push through the degree from the start
I may be able to incorporate study days from work given the nature of the course but we shall see but the idea in principle seems doable to me and is something that taps into my strengths and abilities
Another door is perhaps opening
I’ve always been a late starter…….
Do you mean counselling in the psychological sense? I only know you from this blog, but I have a feeling you'd be very good at that. I wish the best for you.
ReplyDeleteThank you kirk...very kind
DeleteFabulous idea! You will do so well and be of help to so many. Starting over, and more than once,,,so impressive. Best wishes in this endeavor.
ReplyDeleteI have to be realistic..the physical toll of nursing full-time is Emmense especially with long shifts unsociable hours and nights.
DeleteMy divorce mediator said glinly that her father worked until he was 80
Not as a frigging nurse he didn't I told her
What a great idea! You've acquired so many skills over the years to help. I hope the plans work out for you. xx
ReplyDeleteI need to play to my strengths
DeleteIt's never too late to start anything! Go for it!! xxx
ReplyDeleteI've got to be pragmatic
DeleteI need to reduce my long days. Up my hourly rate and reduce the physical stressors
You already have so many counselling skills - I recall you were a Samaritan once, weren't you? You'd be brilliant. I wonder if some of those 'prior knowledge and experiences' might be credits towards your Counselling degree? Worth looking in to.
ReplyDeleteI doubt they will but thanks for the vote of confidence
DeleteI think that you have great empathy, kindness and a sense of humour. Your people skills seem to be excellent and your life experiences useful. Also the nursing background is invaluable. If I needed counselling I would definitely wish for a counsellor like you. Excellent plan!
ReplyDelete😃xxx
DeleteGood plan.
ReplyDeleteTa muchly
DeleteYou will sail through that. You have the talent. Go for it.
ReplyDeleteJust the.costs that may be a sticking plaster
DeleteI think you will be a wonderful councillor John x
ReplyDeleteThank u chuck
DeleteYou will be great at it John-I have seen a few and I end up humouring them as they just dish out text book and I don't like to diasppoint them-but I know you will be good-you have great empathy-Go for it x
ReplyDeleteCheers flis x
DeleteWill you be able to get any help with the cost of courses?
ReplyDeleteThat's what I'm looking into
DeleteAs a retired nurse I know you will be brilliant. All your life experiences will be such an asset. Best wishes.
ReplyDeleteFingers crossed
DeleteA great idea. A perfect transition for you, your skills, and your personality.
ReplyDeleteWell I will.be playing to my strengths
DeleteWhy not choose a fun work for a change?
ReplyDeleteThat's great thinking outside the box, Rachel. Any suggestions?
DeleteRealistically, poor "old" John does have to build on the professional material he's accumulated so far. Though, in today's speak, you will be encouraged to explore "transferable" skills to change saddle. Like, say, a butcher taking up needle work. Both pretty intricate, I'd say. Not that needle work sells at profit.
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Fun work! ? Any suggestions ???
DeleteI need to.pay bills remember xx
Write your book... Monetise your blog... Begin counselling freelance with no qualifications needed (formal qualifications in such things are largely nonsense and institutional scams, in my ever-humble opinion), and you would probably be amazed at how many people will pay just for a friendly and helpful ear
DeleteWhat about getting a couch with a hole in and do feet-not hard skin,bunions and callouses nasty stuff but just oils and a bit of M dabbs and relaxation tape in the background"Come and relax awhile and let me take care of your accroutrements")or similar x
Deleteor-"Let me carry your cares away on a cloud whilst caressing your appendages?"x(hands and fee-no bumps a daisy)x
DeletePeople pay good money to get their feet nibbled at by fish in a tank - hard to believe but true, so... therapeutic foot licks by a boxer dog in Trelawnyd's bijou art studio and coffee cottage...?
DeleteI was indeed thinking outside the box. It wasn't a flippant comment. I meant perhaps a job not related to death, pain, suffering. A different sphere completely for your wellbeing. When I left a long career in financial services I opted for a job in a totally different field during retirement. I don't see that freelance counselling is necessarily a guaranteed bill payer unless you get a good early break into a lucrative vein.
DeleteThere's a story in our local paper coincidentally today about a woman who has given up her career to work with her first love, dogs.
Delete2 weeks ago Victor Meldrew was astonished to find out the therapist who he visited for foot treatment,relaxation and massage was using her nipple(he never knew apparently as he was So relaxed-eyes closed far away)he thought she was using her finger x
DeleteRachel, I didn’t think you were being
DeleteMy sister changed her job last year and is loving her gardening
To me counselling is something I know I will be good at
….and I need to pick something that pays th3 bills
I’m too old to be a zoo keeper
DeleteAndrew, points taken xxxx
DeleteI don't understand you.
DeleteI always wanted to be a zoo keeper as a child
DeleteI bet one of your Sheffield tutors was Paul S.
ReplyDeleteI got a bus pass at 60. Now you have to wait until 67-ish. Not that there are any convenient buses round here to use it on. They're worth a fortune in London.
The name doesn't ring a bell
Deletethis is an excellent field to move into. My aunt has since covid gone self employed and has more clients all over who she works with via skype, zoom etc. She is able to work constant shifts and has seen a great rise in people who want evening sessions. She has even taken on a few employers who are using her services to help with the mental health of their teams whilst transitioning to working post lockdowns. Mental health assistance is a valuable service. Good for you that you are planning. I think this is an excellent move. Good luck
ReplyDeleteThat’s very encouraging darling x
DeleteA friend of mine retrained as a counsellor/therapist and now works from home - his consultations are online and he specialises in work with men. Seems to make a decent living from it. I'm not sure he took a degree in it. I have considered doing it myself (almost 60 too - gulp) but so many other things going on personally that it's finding the time and energy to commit. Good luck John, I'm sure if you decide to undertake the course you'll make a success of it.
ReplyDeleteI’m getting a nice positive feeling from yours and other comments
DeleteI think you would make a great counsellor. Your varied professional career and your time working for The Samaritans mean that your listening skills have been well-honed over the years.
ReplyDeleteI’m open to home my bad habits too
DeleteBefore you know it, you'll be getting paid to do what you do already!
ReplyDeleteGreat stuff
Thank u
DeleteI think it's a great idea. One, it'll give you an edge in the profession. And two, it'll make you excited again about your job. Not to mention that it'll may bring some extra money. Do it.
ReplyDeleteXOXO
I think it will make me excited
DeleteAnd I will not be as tired
that's a brilliant idea and seems like a perfect fit for you. it gives you something to look forward to.
ReplyDeleteFingers crossed I can afford it x
DeleteWhat an excellent idea! I left my "main" job (librarian in civil service) at 59 and for the last 10 years have been tutoring and lecturing. I'm now planning to focus on writing. It's never too late, and I'm sure you would be very good at counselling - and writing, come to that. Good luck with it all. Jan xx
ReplyDeleteI’m not very good at taking chances.
DeleteI like to work with certainties
You will be excellent counselling people. Like others here have said, it does seem like a perfect fit for you.
ReplyDeleteMay all doors open for you to to receive and achieve all that you will need, so that you can make a career of counselling as soon as possible.
Thank you that was kind
DeleteGo for it John. I went from nursing at 55yrs into training and stayed until i was 68yrs.
ReplyDeleteYes the physicality of nursing is my sticking point. It's becoming harder to be on my feet physically for 12 hours
DeleteSorry John that mine comes up as unknown. Sylvia x
DeleteYou will be amazing, with the work you have done, the volunteer work you have done, it is a perfect fit. I interviewed a counselor recently who is 79 and still very much enjoying his work - a few less hours as he approaches 80.
ReplyDeleteThere's hope for me yet david xx
DeleteOh, interesting! And bravo to you for being open to new things! You seem like you'd be a good counselor.
ReplyDeleteI've got to think of something
DeleteIt is hard to accept things as age makes things we took for granted harder to achieve. I to am having to reconsider my working future as 'the snap' has brought home the fact that the physical side of my work is becoming a tad harder. I had thought of selling my body but the disappointment of clients would be hard to bear...
ReplyDeleteMe too
DeleteNo.ones buying
Hi John , I am in a similar situation about wanting to do a Counselling degree.
ReplyDeleteAm 62 yrs now- retired from NHS at 55yrs. I have looked into it but it would take me years - despite having been SRN -RMN - Midwife + Health Visitor trained.
They do not seem to recognise such experience.
I also am a Samaritan Volunteer Listener.
The costs involved put me off - though now I live in Wales it may be doable.
Look forward to hearing about your progress
Watch this space...financially I think it may be hard
DeleteGood idea John! I think you would make a brilliant counsellor.
ReplyDeleteI've had enough practical experience
DeleteSounds like a good plan, John. Good luck with it!
ReplyDeleteWell the cost my be prohibitive
DeleteI'm finding out this week what's possible
Hope it works out for you, John. Best of luck!
ReplyDeleteStart ramping up for retirement now. I worked until I was 66 to get my full retirement benefits by both the social security and a lump sum company benefits. During the run up to retirement I paid off ALL debt (house mortage, vehicles,etc.). My wife and I are in our mid 70's and enjoying our debt free life. You have the time to do the same. Best of luck.
ReplyDeleteI'm almost straight....
Delete"I'm almost straight" ... eh?
DeleteFinancially not sexually
DeleteSexuality I'm as bent as a safety pin
Phew. That's a relief. I thought I had fallen through some portal into mad parallel world where nothing makes sense (oh no, wait a minute, that's this world...)
DeleteWelcome to my world
DeleteHahaha! Bent as a safety pin... you had me chortling. You would make a brilliant counsellor. I have been to a few over the years and know the ones I like. I hate it when people try to put words in my mouth... with your Samaritans experience you would be excellent.
DeleteJo in Auckland
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ReplyDeleteExpecting to be retired by 60? Welcome to the real world. I worked full time until a few weeks ago (when I hit 69) and I made boodles of money doing it.
ReplyDeleteIf I knew before I retired my marriage would fail I would never have retired . I would have paid more into my pension and wouldn't have lost 20% fee for retiring at 55
DeleteI wonder if your life experiences, education, and work would count as you work toward this your counselling degree? From your blog, I'd say you were well qualified already! Wishing you success.
ReplyDeleteHugs!
Oh, and you should definitely write your book, taken from blog posts and your other experiences as it's bound to be a best seller and make you independently wealthy, doncha know?
DeleteHugs!
I’ve got a lot of thinking to do
DeleteI’m so happy about your decision! I’ve worried about the physical toll from your current job. How long will the process take? You will be so great in this job! Its an investment that will last decades if you choose to work that long. Happy Thanksgiving from Suz in Los Angrles.
ReplyDeleteThank you suz
DeleteThe process is over three years
Three years will fly by. Especially noticing this approaching 60 (damn where does time go!)
DeleteJo in Auckland
I too have to work until my late 60s at the earliest. Like you I work in the NHS so understand exactly where you are coming from. Good luck!
ReplyDeleteVC , it’s nice to think I’m not alone
DeleteYou are being wise John. You would be a good and sensitive counsellor.
ReplyDeleteWould a degree be the only way in?
I think so given the length of time It’s been since my original training
DeleteThat is unfortunate, you have so much experience to start with
DeleteI work as a counsellor in a school working with the pupils. It's is a vocation not a job, you will love it
ReplyDeleteI wil” I think yes
DeleteThat certainly sounds like something that you would be well qualified to do. If you are going to make a change look into all aspects of it and even talk to others that are counselors. At this point in your life you want to make sure you will enjoy what you are doing. I have so many regrets about past jobs that I did for the money and not the enjoyment. It wears on you. I planned to retire at 65 but threw in the towel at 63. My income is reduced but that's okay.
ReplyDeleteIt all depends on my health which has t been good as of late …..some of this is worrying
DeleteI knew someone who did counciling online and charged a fee-think they joined an organisation thingy first x
ReplyDeleteXx
Deletefrom what I *know* about you, you seem innately qualified to be a counsellor. The possibilities as to areas you could utilize your skills...almost endless. Foremost of your many qualifications (imo) being your deeply caring heart. I hope you will find a way to accomplish your new goal! Susan M
ReplyDeleteThank you susan
DeleteNursing is not for the faint hearted, at any age. But the older you are the worse it gets physically. It can be a physically hard job, despite all the mod cons, hoists, PAT slides and so on.
ReplyDeleteI was able with a little financial juggling to retire early at 55 before I was totally broken. Maybe you could go part time later on. Over paying your mortgage even by a few pounds can be a great help as well.
Good Luck
I find the PPE the worst thing to cope with , it tires me than anything else
DeleteAn apron, a mask and gloves? My dentist has always worn these throughout hours of work, 2 and 3 hours root canals without breaks. Surgeons? PPE for my niece's husband was like a space suit when he was in Covid ICU. He slept on a trolley and never left the hospital. Hospice work is not the same is it? Peopke come for their last days in peace.
DeleteIt's not a competition over who suffered/suffers the worst. It's all relevant to who you are and how you cope with things.
DeleteNursing is a mental and physical job. But it drains your soul sometimes.
At our age (older) there is also a build up of grief from everything you've seen over the years. The first death I dealt with as a qualified nurse was a four year old girl with Measles/Encephalitis. Her parents were anti-vaxxers. Forty years ago it was also a thing. It still haunts me.
Good points Shelly.
DeleteI am all for that "doors" principle John - think it is a brilliant idea.
ReplyDeleteXx
DeleteSounds like a wonderful idea John you have made a difference in so many peoples lives during the years through your patient thoughtful nature, I say go for it it is never to late. Hopefully there are government programs that can help with the cost.
ReplyDeleteI think I earn too much for support but perhaps support with study leave with work may be useful
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ReplyDeleteI get this Tom, and I understand , but nursing is relentless
DeleteEspecially as nights and weekend work as well as long days are antisocial as well as tiring .
PPE will always be with us too
Maybe you forget my grand daughter is a neo-natal and paediatric nurse who has to deal with babies dying and their bereaved parents on a daily basis. Her hair is falling out. Literally. I don't think you understand quite how fortunate you are.
DeleteI haven’t forgotten
DeleteBut I don’t get the point of this comment
I have worked with psychiatric patients, those disabled by spinal injury , those in intensive care and those and the end of life
And have done so for 38 years
Physically , it’s will be time for a change
That is my point, I’m not complaining of being a nurse , I’m just physically tired
Oh, ok. Sorry.
DeleteJust keep opening those new doors.
ReplyDeleteI will. Try
DeleteI was once criticised for saying I feel old when I referred to working as a nurse in my late 50s.
The person said , “I know a lot of people your age who do fine and don’t complain “
PPE took its toll on me last year,
Unsocial hours do too
Nights, and back to back long days don’t help
And my recent illness and bad health has reminded me just how precarious things can be
When I did "Careers choices" back in the 70's as I was about to leave school I was given 3 choices of occupations, secretary (couldn't type) Teacher (I would have them hung up on pegs around the class) and Nurse. Now nursing appealed to me to a point, I knew I wasn't big on dealing with tendon (y) things, blood was a bit iffy but I felt I could cope. What decided for me that I couldn't be a nurse was the unsocial hours, the rate of pay and never ending shifts. It was then I decided it isn't an occupation but a vocation. Years later I became a support worker, it's lovely work, it suits my personality, I get to choose my hours, after 26 years I am finally being paid a wage that helps pay my bills and I can use my caring nature to do good. So not nursing but caring... on my terms not a Health boards terms.
DeleteI admire everything you do as a nurse and wish you all the best for your counselling change.
Jo in Auckland
I retired last year afterc41 years in NHS.I now work 8 hours a week for an charity as befriending coordinator for an elderly charity. After 4months lazing around (yes I'm lucky ) I now do a days work as agency practice nurse. I can choose my day hours and where to work. Must be mad. How you manage it physically I do not know, I have a bad back and dodgey hip. You would make a great counsellor . Go for it.
ReplyDeletePPE is a nightmare, dry scratchy throat thro bellowing at people, sweaty hands. However getting covid far worse.
ReplyDeleteI also think you would be an excellent counselor. With your broad nursing experience you could alternative teach nursing at a uni. It all depends on what you prefer. Often employers pay for education that awards a degree.
ReplyDeleteAll the very best wishes for success in switching careers. I too think you would make a very good counselor.
ReplyDelete( and a best selling book author)!
At the risk of just repeating what has been said already, this would be something you would be well suited for based on all we see here and how compassionate you are. A lot of my friends and family have suggested that as a retirement career for me but I think I'm too old to get back into school, you have the head start for that. We do have to think about what we do and for how much longer as we get older so we can live and enjoy our older ages (I'm 56, I'm getting there, ha). But I have a few ideas in mind for when I can't deal with my career anymore. Same for 2nd Man (I'm encouraging him to become a baker but for now, we need his job too, ha). You'll never know if you don't try so I say go for it and see how things happen. We must have faith that the Universe is unfolding as it should!
ReplyDeleteTo your fans who are urging you to write a best seller--my understanding is very few authors make much money , only a few BIG names. And it is not steady income.
ReplyDeleteLizzy, John will never know if he doesn't try. I have written many books, some of which have made me tens of thousands of pounds each while some have made very little, but none of them could be called best-sellers. I have also made the bulk of my living writing articles over the past 30 and more years, so there are options out there for writers, and John does know how to write well (subject to proof-reading for what his clumsy fingers can sometimes do unchecked :).
DeleteThank u Andrew x
DeleteI really appreciate your professional approach.These are pieces of very useful information that will be of great use for me in future.
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I read that talking therapy may help me-I phoned my Dr arranged for one to see me at the practice-it looked very straightforward for her-"What was bothering me-Did I sleep too much or not enough-food?-suicidal?-now rate 1 to 10 how much a certain scenario would distress"I went twice then couldn't be arsed she was useless-easy peasy for her and she would have got paid x
ReplyDeleteJust a thought. You are very eloquent, with a beautiful syrupy voice, you could get work doing voice overs. I could listen to you reading a whole book. What about making some demo tapes, or cd's or however they record them now, and sending them off to the people who make talking books. Try the RNIB.
ReplyDeleteYou can't go on for another 3 years, you need to make an interim change.
ReplyDeleteI may have to Rachel
DeleteI think a career change will be good for you. You have years of experience dealing with the physical side of people and of the mental side with your Samaritans work. There is no doubt that you would make a great counsellor.
ReplyDeleteHave you any opportunities for a career switching into teaching? Here in the States we have a shortage of math and science teachers. Some school systems encourage older adults with real life experience in these fields to get a license to serve as substitute teachers. Then, if they find it agreeable, they are supported in obtaining a license to teach their specific subject. Strongly suspect you have much to share with nursing students...
ReplyDeleteI agree. Maybe nurse teacher or practice nurse at a GP surgery? There must be other less physical jobs with better hours which will use your many talents, even if the pay isn't any better. I hope you figure something out. xx
DeleteYou should apply for a scholarship so at least your needed education would be free.I saw some online.-Mary
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I think you would be good at counselling.
ReplyDeleteMarisAna I completely agree with you. I was just going to write much the same thing myself.
ReplyDeleteJo in Auckland
Sounds perfect for you to me, good luck. Bev
ReplyDeleteI can't imagine how physically and mentally taxing your job is now. I too think you'd make a good counsellor. All the very best
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