By uttering just two words Pope Francis has proved himself to be a coward and has made a hero out of a stupid small minded woman
It has been reported that during his " secret" meeting with Kim Davis ( the Kentucky Official that refused to officiate at Gay weddings) he hugged and whispered to her to " Stay Strong" .and by doing so, he has undone much of his perceived good works since his inauguration in 2013.
I am not angry, just deflated
Exactly.
ReplyDeleteIndeed he has.
ReplyDeleteI'm so disappointed in him. I could hardly believe it at first. :(
ReplyDeleteI waited and withheld my approbation whilst everyone was going on and on about the sainted Francis. Recently, I'd begun to cautiously hope.
ReplyDeleteNope, he's a religious politician, adept at talking out of both sides of his mouth. He should make a name change, from Pope Francis, to Francis the Talking Mule... it's more appropriate for his temperament. Perhaps Matt Damon should consider a similar, though more forthright, name... to Matt the Jackass.
Another god with clay feet.
ReplyDeleteI am angry. Very.
ReplyDeleteHard to say which is more profound : my disappointment with the Pope or my depression that that idiot Kim Davis was gifted with yet more time in the media.
ReplyDeleteCould it have been a set up ?
DeleteI've been wondering that myself since the meeting was set up by the Vatican's culturally conservative ambassador, against the wishes of the American Bishops
DeleteI am disappointed. Sick and tired of Bible-thumping right wingers. I am a Bernie Sanders fan.
ReplyDeleteFor me and others that dont know
DeleteSanders is known as a leading progressive voice on issues such as income inequality,[7] universal healthcare, parental leave, climate change,[16] LGBT rights, and campaign finance reform.[17] He rose to national prominence following his 2010 filibuster[18][19] against the proposed extension of the Bush tax cuts. He is also outspoken on civil rights and civil liberties, and has been particularly critical of mass surveillance policies such as the USA PATRIOT Act,[20] as well as racial discrimination in the criminal justice system. He has long been critical of U.S. foreign policy, and was an early and outspoken opponent of the Iraq War.
I am also Bernie Sanders fan. We need politicians like him in America. Sadly, I'm afraid he probably doesn't have a chance. Still, he has my vote!
DeleteWell....maybe she made it up and he was just trying to save face for her? Maybe?? Maybe not...sigh.
ReplyDeleteI am also disappointed. In the name of religion she can defy the law of the land. If she doesn't want to follow the law and issue marriage licences there is a simple answer, resign!
ReplyDeleteEXACTLY
DeleteHow naive of us to think that the RC Church had finally decided to join us in the 21st century.
ReplyDeleteI am beginning to feel that the pope has an agenda that is no where near what some of us were hoping it was.
As for that bigoted 'official', her demeanor tells all.
I'm hoping this is not true ~~ if it is, shame shame!
ReplyDeleteNooooooooo, a catholic pope and a bigot republican share opinions?
ReplyDeleteI am also disappointed, I am not catholic. But we were told so much about this progressive Pope and his feelings of understanding. Now we find out Not so much really!
ReplyDeleteJohn, as to yesterday's post then the right one was ousted before the final. I thought Nadiya's peacock was lovely and also a sensible idea - not too elaborate. I dare not predict who will win.
ReplyDeleteAs to \the Pope and the woman involved - this is a good reason why I will have nothing to do with any of them.
As I've said on another blog, perhaps during this hush-hush meeting The Holy Father (Bless his red cotton socks!) rebuked her for her multiple marriages and divorces and warned her that in the eyes of God she'll forever be living in a sinful, adulterous relationship unless she returns to her first husband. On the other hand......
ReplyDeleteI presume old popey knew all this
DeleteOf course he did, J.G., but perhaps on this occasion did he decide to turn a blind eye to Mrs(X4) Davis' peccadillo(s)? I don't know. I wasn't there! (But maybe he spanked her botty).
DeleteI have always thanked my Mom for crossing her fingers in the rectory when she was marrying my Catholic Dad ~ no way was she going to bring up the children in that mindset ~ Thank you Thank You Mom!
ReplyDeleteDid you dad mind?
DeleteThrough simple perverseness I'll use a bible quote: "Put not your trust in princes..." Psalm 146:3
ReplyDeleteMm mm....probably taken out of context like most things reported, more like he told her stay strong in your faith but do not judge .
ReplyDeleteShe is entitled to her faith and beliefs as is everyone , but how someone who quite obviously doesn't grasp the sanctity of marriage in her own life can make judgement on others is beyond. Me
Perhaps.....then why meet secretly?
DeleteProbably gave her the name of a decent exorcist , because she's the least Christian person I've seen speak on the matter
DeleteWhen I was still a raised and a believer Catholic, I thought the Pope could do no wrong, of course, Then I grew up. At least I grew old if not up, and my faith went the way of the high button shoes. I never forgot what my Grandfather said I cannot tell a prop of what, but what he said I have never forgotten " Ah, the Jesuits, the black popes (meaning everything was done in the shadows. away from the light) the hidden hand that moves the puppets, the éminence grise". I don't know what to think, I am deflated too because for a short while I thought maybe there is hope, the man embraced an Imam and his good friend the rabbi at the Wall. Maybe now everyone can work from whatever we believe into joining together, mutual respect, acceptance, all the things that most religions seem to be very poor of these days. Now that hope has been completely destroyed by him embracing the poison.
ReplyDeleteThe question is why? why to even come closer to someone so toxic that nothing he could say or do now would make this right? The only god she must believe in has to be the one that grants the 5 minutes of fame to those who care little about anything else but themselves. I still would like to know why.
Perhaps his work in the middle east will work
DeleteI do hope so......i guess when you see a progressive Pope , you hope he will offer you the whole pie and not just atasty slice
Kim and Francis will now become popular Halloween costumes.
ReplyDeleteTotally.
DeleteI was hoping the good he could do would outweigh the negatives of his religious beliefs.I was a fool.
ReplyDeleteI don't see anything wrong about encouraging a person to stand up for their convictions (even if you don't agree with them), I believe integrity is a good thing. We simply are not required to continue employing that person if their convictions are not consistent with their job description.
ReplyDeleteI do wonder, though, would the Pope or anyone else in the western world be encouraging radical Islamists to be strong in their convictions to eliminate the rest of us? Devotion to a God could justify a variety of things.
Jan, in many ways mz davis' story is a non event....i agree. You feel as strong as she did, well I applaud her conviction but not her message........ but immediately when she was told it was law, she should have resigned....
Delete"It was reported..." but it might not be true or it may be taken out of context.
ReplyDeleteAs a friend of mine posted on his Facebook wall, "Do you think the Vatican kept it a secret that the pope met with Kim Davis? I don't. I think they thought it had no significance whatsoever, as she was
paraded before the pope by politicos and other self importants. To him she was just another pilgrim. Let it go America. Her fifteen minutes are over."
That's my feeling in general about the media doing whatever they can for a story and stooping to promote "celebutards" as Himself calls them.
Megan , she reported the story herself
DeleteDisappointed and disgusted.
ReplyDeletethat we expected anything else says more about us than him. he is, after all, the Catholic Pope. what other position could he have had. that he did it in secret, well, that says a lot about him.
ReplyDeleteI was really hoping that he would change things
DeleteI think things are changing and he fell in line with what is, and should, become popular with most people. The catholic church is, after all, a business and being the CEO, he's supposed to fill the pews. I was hoping he was the real deal.
DeletePopery = two faced; and don't tell me otherwise, I've not enough time to go through all the evidence.
ReplyDeleteWith all the serious problems in the world, I can't understand why the Pope would meet with this self-righteous, hypocritical nonentity.
ReplyDeleteAnd I'll say what others are only thinking:
With a face like hers, how the hell did she manage to snag four husbands??
A bit harsh.......but you surprised me, did she really have four marriages?
DeleteAccording to the news stories I've read, she's been married four times and gave birth to twins out of wedlock.
DeleteDirty cow
DeleteSorry for all my comments, but here's more info:
Deletethe New York Times stated that she was divorced in 1994, 2006, and 2008 - and she's presently married again.
Her second husband adopted the twins.
Wow , how did she have time to get herself molested by a Pope with all the marrying and divorcing lol
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ReplyDeleteMy thoughts on this .. as a non Catholic also ..
ReplyDeleteIf he was a doctor or a lawyer or business man, and some woman told people that he said something "off" .. He would be given the right to defend himself and she would have to be able to prove it in some way.
Fair or not, one of them is lying and they have to be able to prove the accusation.
Otherwise, a possibly innocent good man that people look up to, has been slandered and his character somewhat ruined.
Of course, from my own experience, men in positions of "power" often abuse that power and do bad things ... doctors and lawyers to name a couple. But at the same time, this is the Pope .. Do we really believe her story ?
The potential damage to the pope may be considerable.....i feel the vatican would have put out a statement if she was lying
DeleteI would have thought they would put out a statement either way, no ? I guess those who love their Pope and the Church will stand by him .. reminds me of Clinton ..
DeletePam , what does America have to do with this ?
I'd rather believe her than some Pope any day.
DeleteWhat surprises me is that people believed this popes spin. He's the church's best marketing tool. He has swayed public opinion and made people hopeful while the Catholic Church has not changed their draconian judgemental rules one jot and never will. I voted with my feet and bailed years ago, the parish priest never contacted me after I left until my MasterCard expired and my donations stopped some months later, they were then on the phone straight away.
DeleteGossip, flim flam and conjecture. Oh, of course, America.
ReplyDeleteShe is a liar.
ReplyDeleteIt seems so ..
DeleteWhy is this "Oh, of course America" ?
DeleteI am not willing to rely on her word alone that the Pope actually said that to her.
ReplyDeleteI am not sure she should resigned. I think she should have been fired for not performing her job.
ReplyDeleteIf abortion is legal in a state should a doctor be allowed to refuse to perform the procedure - or is that different? Similarly, should a doctor be allowed to refuse to write a prescription of birth control?
She would have been dismissed in the UK , THAT MUCH i am certain
DeleteShe can't be fired, as she's an elected official, and can only be voted out of office. That's why she was arrested and went to jail...not doing her job meant she was breaking the law.
DeleteThe honorable thing to do would gave been to resign, but there's nothing honorable about that hag.
Ah, i understand x
DeleteThanks for the clarification. I did not realize that as an "elected official" she could ignore the law ..... Makes sense now....not her action but the fact that she was jailed.
DeleteShe can also be impeached, btw.
DeleteKim Davis, on her fourth marriage, refused to issue marriage licenses to gay couples because it went against her religion, or some such rot. After a short stint behind bars she is back in action and now issuing altered licenses that do not include her name, but instead have been issued 'pursuant to federal court order'. How romantic.
ReplyDeleteAmazing the length some people will go to for their pathetic 15 minutes of fame..
ReplyDeleteGod never changes John.
ReplyDeleteWell , I guess we all need consistency
DeleteClearly, some idiot bloggers never change either.
DeleteWTF is that guy still here reading and commenting for, when he's made it clear how little respect he has for you, John?
God knows! I think he wants to convert me.
DeleteI miss the old Chris , he was fun.
I'm here because I REALLY AM your friend John, not just the usual blogging sycophant who doesn't give a damn what happens to you.
DeleteYou know where I am when you want to chat.
Agreed, very disappointing.
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ReplyDeleteAs both a practicing Catholic and an American, doesn't seem strange that she had a private meeting and the Pope hasn't even say he met with her? He will change things, not just everything non-Catholics think he should. The church doesn't believe in abortions but does forgive women who may have one. That is our religion, no one needs to agree, follow what you believe just don't hurt others. For the record, that nut case Kim Davis needs to be fired, everyone has the right to love and marry who they want. The government should have no say. Cheryl
ReplyDeleteGood point well said
DeleteWhat did you expect him to say," Fuck off you stupid cow"?
ReplyDeleteThe Pope is not infallible, so he said something you don't like. Turn the other cheek, get over it and remember to love your neighbour.
I did say in the blog rachel, that I was not angry.........i am not angry...i am just deflated.......
DeleteThe whole thing has been badly handled......and to be honest rachel..with the amount of hangers on, advisors, wise old duffers the pope must have.....fallability is not on
i would have respected him a lot more if he had said 'fuck off you stupid cow'. what a stupid move after what seemed to be a decent visit. and what's with trying to hide it. of all the people that get to meet with the pope she is one of them? jesus christ!
ReplyDeleteI know he has to tread carefully... But even if he meant to say to this woman , be strong ( in the face of adversity) surely he would have realised how it would be viewed?
DeleteWe only have her version of what was said.
DeleteI am an agnostic, and I support equal rights of all kinds - including the right to marry whomever we want.
ReplyDeleteI sure wouldn't have wanted to be in the Pope's shoes when he was asked to meet with Kim Davis - he was damned if he did and damned if he didn't. Imagine how you would do his job if you were him - it's pretty hard to make much forward progress without being thrown out - and then what progress could you make at all?
A New York Times article suggests that this and other remarks made by the Pope during his US visit seemed to be trying to shake up peoples' established beliefs about their own rightness and other peoples' wrongness. For anyone willing to suspend their judgement for a few minutes longer, here is the link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/30/us/county-clerk-kim-davis-who-denied-gay-couples-visited-pope.html?_r=1
thanks, I've read it. 'their own rightness and other peoples' wrongness' - it seems to be a favorite topic in these comments too.
DeleteI hold no torch for the pope but how do we know this comment hasn't been reported out of context? Are we going on just her word for it?
ReplyDeleteLet's see... one homophobic idiot and a man who wears a dress and believes in fairytales.
ReplyDeleteFrankly, John, I don't think either of them is worthy of publicity or consideration, so I wouldn't waste headspace on them if I were you.
Dave...I'm not raving about it.
DeleteIm only slightly dissapointed .....
Mind you I was also disappointed that Flora was voted off Bake Off last night
Agreed - I thought she really pulled her socks up last night.
DeleteQuestion is - Tamal or Nadia to win?
Well i like Tamal.....he's cute but The gloriously Nadiya will win
DeleteHow can any religion be the way forward when almost every war or unrest is taking place because of it. How can any rational being believe there is a god?
ReplyDeleteMy wish for the world is to become Atheist or Agnostic ... the sooner the better.
Well said!
DeleteHow predictable.
DeleteTruth can be very predictable
DeleteThat woman is all that is wrong with the so-called devout. She is sinned up to high heaven, but it is okay because her and those like her are against abortion and gay marriage. Asshats.
ReplyDeleteAs someone who went to Catholic school and no longer practices, this whole situation makes me think about my mom who taught me to question the teachings of the Church. It also reminds me of one Sunday how during the sermon, our current priest at that time proclaimed he had a hotline to God. My mother nearly choked and said, "No one has a hotline, we can all talk to Him when we want." And so as far as I am concerned the Pope means nothing and for all the good he could do, he wiped it by vindicating her "religious" bullshit. Leviticus hates on divorce too lady, you ain't special.
Saddens eh
DeleteI am disappointed too... I'm a 'born RC', then grew up and became an Anglican. But the wish for the RC church to reform and stop doing harm (especially in the sexuality area) is still there. I had hopes Francis was heading in the right direction, but it seems to be all talk. Perhaps he was manipulated into this meeting, but it's damaged his image, and as, unfortunately, so far, IMAGE was all he had, that has set back my hopes. I pasted a piece from The Guardian on my Facebook page and I'm interested (unsurprised) that it's got no comments, it was anti-pope, and most people I know have wanted to think the best of him...
ReplyDeleteSad.
I'm not Catholic or religious in any way but i have been following Pope Francis and have been encouraged by what he had to say..... He just destroyed all the good he has done by supporting that simple minded woman ......I was so disappointed.... Hugs! deb
ReplyDeleteHugs
DeleteHow predictable.
ReplyDeleteLets hope this debarcle may help change things eh
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ReplyDeleteI dont care if kim was jewish....she was just wrong
DeleteNot sure what exactly the controversy here is, or at least why the Pope should be called two-faced. Last I checked the Roman Catholic Church wasn't just against same-sex marriage but same-sex heavy petting, same-sex holding hands, same-sex kissing on the first date, and same-sex passing mash notes in algebra class. Sure, the Pope a while back expressed tolerance toward homosexuality, but homosexual thoughts, not homosexual deeds. Clever of him. If you can't do the deed, then you just bang your head against the wall trying to extinguish the thought. Suffering in the name of Christ or something like that.
ReplyDeleteAs for Kim Davis, she's a Pentecostal. They speak in tongues. As someone mentioned earlier, the Pope likes to speak out of both sides of his mouth, so maybe there's some common ground there.
Vsee above
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DeleteI was trying to be sarcastic before, so just so there's no misunderstanding, I think Kim Davis is wrong, and the Pope shouldn't have met with her. Reading these comments, I was surprised at the general tone of disappointment, and perhaps shouldn't have been. This Pope has raised peoples hopes much more than I realized. All I can say is that the secular world is FINALLY coming around to acceptance of LGBTQs, and that maybe it's better to focus energy and attention on that. Keep your eye on the ball, in other words.
DeleteSpeaking of the secular world, as an elected official Kim Davis is part of it. To paraphrase the heterosexual Harry S. Truman, if you can't stand the secular heat, stay out of the secular kitchen.
(Sorry I keep canceling my comments. I writing this stuff fast, and then post without reading it first, only to discover a minute later that I left key words out.)
Cunts (although that might not be the right word to use...)
ReplyDeleteLol the voice of reason to bookend everything ! Lol nite nite thomas x
DeleteOne of the best bumper stickers I've ever seen said "Pray for a secular world" .
ReplyDeleteI heartily agree that would solve so many problems.
She should have resigned immediately.
Barbara
Agreed xxx
DeleteHow terribly disappointing that he did that!
ReplyDeleteReported by whom? And what was their agenda?
ReplyDeleteIf true, it is disappointing - but not surprising.
Reported by davis herself
DeleteDefintely reliable. Not.
DeleteI don't take any notice of anything that's "reported" to have happened at a "secret meeting". Unless it's confirmed by other sources, I regard it as so much media piffle. But it's beyond doubt that Kim Davis is an unrepentant bigot.
ReplyDeleteNick hope you are right
DeleteNow confirmed by the Vatican. Boy, that sucked a lot of my admiration for the Pope right outta me.
ReplyDeleteThanks joy x
DeleteBummer! I was hoping it was not true.
DeleteNot that I'm a Catholic or even a Christian, but the world needs more voices of reason and I was hoping he would be one, being as how he has so much influence. It still doesn't take away from his words on the environment. We've just found his sticking point.
DeleteI live in the state of Kentucky and AM NOT a supporter of Kim Davis. She is an idiot! She is a poor reflection of my state! Her church does not even recognize the Pope! What a joke their meeting was.
ReplyDeleteLong time no see michelle xxxx
DeleteAlways good to be reminded that there are open-minded folk all across this big ole country!
DeleteI wanna bitchslap them both many many many times!
ReplyDeleteI love you
DeleteI really really want not to believe it. This pope has finally represented what I believe the church should be about, what Jesus was about.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry you have to battle attitudes that go three steps forward and then two back.
i think it shows that the catholic church hasn't changed, they just hired a better PR pope. same old, same old.
ReplyDeleteIf she doesn't want to do her job, then she needs to resign from the position. She needs to judge not lest she be judged. I haven't been married four fucking times.
ReplyDeleteLove,
Janie
Couldn't agree more. She needs to be fired her for not doing her job, and when she's a private citizen she can disagree all she wants and claim religious freedom.
ReplyDeleteDisappointed and a bit angry - I had really started to like him
ReplyDeleteKim Davis is wrong on so many levels I can't keep up with them. So many that I have to wonder if the Pope's handlers just plain f***ed up in granting her an audience. Almost makes me wonder if other agendas weren't at work here, and on that front, I wonder if the Pope wasn't understanding that appearing to support Kim Davis meant advocating breaking laws. (Not cutting him a break, but the man can't know everything.) Anyhow, this is just too big a mistake not to make me deplore it, as well as wonder. And "reporting"? That's the term for when you want to put out an idea, but you can't confirm it. And that is so blatantly what the conservative religious right wants to convey that I'd doubt it.
ReplyDeleteI live in Kentucky (but not native; California transplant). There is a lot to love here, but stuff like this is not one of them. Kim Davis is no way, no how a hero. She a bloody bigot and a hypocrite to boot. Yeah, married a zillion times, but also inherited the job from her mother and already is setting up her son to inherit it from her. And from what I hear, it is one of the more highly paid jobs in Rowan County -- no wonder she doesn't want to give it up! The cash from all her witless followers is just an added incentive -- what a gig.
Anyhow, while this has definitely put a dent in my Pope appreciation, I suppose I hadn't hoped for too much anyhow. No matter what, the man--however progressive he might be--is up against centuries of not-so-very-stellar values.
Jeez, I don't comment often. Probably a good thing, the way I can ramble on . . . May I add before I go, however, that not all of Kentucky is like Kim Davis. The state's two largest cities, Lexington and Louisville, both have *significantly* high and active gay populations. :-)
Kim Davis is wrong on so many levels I can't keep up with them. So many that I have to wonder if the Pope's handlers just plain f***ed up in granting her an audience. Almost makes me wonder if other agendas weren't at work here, and on that front, I wonder if the Pope wasn't understanding that appearing to support Kim Davis meant advocating breaking laws. (Not cutting him a break, but the man can't know everything.) Anyhow, this is just too big a mistake not to make me deplore it, as well as wonder. And "reporting"? That's the term for when you want to put out an idea, but you can't confirm it. And that is so blatantly what the conservative religious right wants to convey that I'd doubt it.
ReplyDeleteI live in Kentucky (but not native; California transplant). There is a lot to love here, but stuff like this is not one of them. Kim Davis is no way, no how a hero. She a bloody bigot and a hypocrite to boot. Yeah, married a zillion times, but also inherited the job from her mother and already is setting up her son to inherit it from her. And from what I hear, it is one of the more highly paid jobs in Rowan County -- no wonder she doesn't want to give it up! The cash from all her witless followers is just an added incentive -- what a gig.
Anyhow, while this has definitely put a dent in my Pope appreciation, I suppose I hadn't hoped for too much anyhow. No matter what, the man--however progressive he might be--is up against centuries of not-so-very-stellar values.
Jeez, I don't comment often. Probably a good thing, the way I can ramble on . . . May I add before I go, however, that not all of Kentucky is like Kim Davis. The state's two largest cities, Lexington and Louisville, both have *significantly* high and active gay populations. :-)
Also disappointed and angry. I was just starting to like his very late stance on child sex abuse victims by the church.
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Have a lot to say about the Popes visit (anger) but for now
ReplyDeleteI will just send you a big hug !
Just keep thinking about The Walking Dead !
cheers, parsnip
As a life long Catholic, I am dismayed by his meeting. She is not popular with most Americans. She doesn't have the right to pick and choose which laws she will follow. Resign if you can't carry out your duties! I had thought this pope was going to take a different stand from his predecessors. I guess not. Now I'm deflated too.
ReplyDeleteWhat can I say except a leopard never changes its spots. No matter how distorted those spots may be.
ReplyDeleteI had high hopes for this one.... but no... he is also tainted by the backward thinking in the RC Church. The Davis woman is an egg!!
ReplyDeleteJo in Auckland, NZ
You protesteth too much. Enjoy your days if you can with so much hate inside you all.x
ReplyDeleteI work for local government and as such I have to work with councillors who represent the BNP; an organisation I absolutely do NOT agree with but if I refused to work with them I'd be fired because that's part of the job and I don't have the luxury of refusing to do part of it - most civil servants don't.and I can't believe this woman is allowed to get away with this crap. If she can't do the job she should step aside and let someone who can do it, rather than ruining what should be a wonderfully special day for the celebrants. As to the Pope I may be mistaken here, but I thought he was meant to be a leader of a Christian faith and; again may be mistaken here as I'm not a practicer of that faith (or any); but I thought one of the basic tenets of that faith was love of one's fellow man; surely this is the message he should be taking forward not 'love of one's fellow man but only if they're not gay'. Seriously as long as it's between consenting adults and doesn't include children or animals who cares who does what with whom and how. That's why it's called a private life.
ReplyDeleteIt thoroughly pisses me off at this bitch is getting all of this publicity for her bigoted narrow minded ness....
ReplyDeleteThat's HER version of the story. We have not heard Francis' side so how can we judge fairly . . . as if we have any right to judge. We have a right to our opinions but "let he who is without sin cast the first stone." From more recent statements coming from the Vatican it appears that Kim's version of events was a little cockeyed to say the least! As a journalist myself I see this as a great fault in today's journalism: it is all played for sensationalism and divisiveness and, in that respect, it is wildly succeeding, unfortunately.
ReplyDeleteAn article in Mother Jones today clarifies that Kim Davis was part of an hour-long press-the-flesh session of a lot of people invited by a papal envoy in Washington, a conservative who was appointed by Pope Benedict. Pope Francis, who is just handed a list of names, is unlikely to have known much at all, if anything, about who she is or her circumstances. He spent probably no more than 60 seconds shaking her hand and giving her a rosary before moving on to the next person in line.
ReplyDeleteOr at least, that is what MJ is reporting and I'd believe it before I'd believe Kim Davis.
An article in Mother Jones today clarifies that Kim Davis was part of an hour-long press-the-flesh session of a lot of people invited by a papal envoy in Washington, a conservative who was appointed by Pope Benedict. Pope Francis, who is just handed a list of names, is unlikely to have known much at all, if anything, about who she is or her circumstances. He spent probably no more than 60 seconds shaking her hand and giving her a rosary before moving on to the next person in line.
ReplyDeleteOr at least, that is what MJ is reporting and I'd believe it before I'd believe Kim Davis.
This Kim person has a right to her opinion; what she does not have is a right to that high paying job that is funded by taxpayers including those who seek marriage licenses according to the law.
ReplyDeleteThe Vatican is now doing a pull back from their original statement saying that she was in a group of many other people who he met with. Who knows, it is the old tale of he said, she said. I just hope she goes away and makes no noise or news.
WAIT, there's more! It was the Vaticans ambassador to the US who invited Kim Davis to a group audience with the Pope. Wasn't something the Pope asked for, wasn't private. Here's the story now: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/03/world/europe/pope-francis-kim-davis-meeting.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=photo-spot-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
ReplyDeleteHello, I am thinking as Joy is - how the whole situation has been misunderstood. The press release has obviously come out as I saw it on here: http://www.occupydemocrats.com/pope-francis-kim-davis-is-a-liar-and-i-dont-support-her-bigotry/
ReplyDeleteHaving worked in gorvernment with the people whose job it is to organsie Minister's itineraries etc, it's not very surprising that this happened - Popey wouldn't have had half a clue about it and it's like saying that someone who went to the Queen's Garden Party had been invited to Bucks for an intimate dinner with her. And clearly here are a few staffers at the Vatican who don't have much truck with Frank. I wonder if the offending staffer will end up on Craggy Island with an old drucnk and a half mad intern, like Father Ted? ;-) Either way, for me it isn't about defending the Pope but restoring your faith in humanity xoxo