Tuesday, 2 February 2016

Finally Some sense?

Trump? What are you Americans thinking?

95 comments:

  1. I don't claim to understand US politics at all, but it seems that he has been beaten in something! Does that mean he is out completely now, and we won't have to hear any more about him?

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    1. "Does that mean he is completely out ?"

      If there is a God ...

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    2. Not at all, it just means has has been minimally humbled. He will move on to the East coast and start all over again. Each state has their own form of primary election to choose a leader for each party or independent. From there the general election will proceed next Nov. We will all be brain dead by then by listening to all the bs blather and bluster!!!

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  2. Fingers and toes crossed this trend continues. Trump as President is a really scary thought.

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  3. Elephants Child is right on the nail there, it is a very scary thought. The electorate are notoriously unpredictable though and some of his rhetoric will have a long reaching effect.

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  4. I have similar thoughts today.

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  5. I'm looking forward to seeing what all your readers in the States say........could be more honest than a poll

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    1. You may be correct Sue. One must remember that the news media pick the sound bites with the most sharp edges. To get attention is the most important component here. I cannot find one candidate in any party worthy of my vote. I am considering going to ground, living off the grid, and going full-blown hermit. I will take my dog.

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  6. John, John,Mehta about your follower count?

    I just hope that the Trump organization does figure out how to get organized in the ground. There is a lot more to winning that spouting poll figures, repeating meaningless sound bites (stopping something until they can "figure out what the hell is going on") and generally acting like a school yard bully.

    Am afraid that I can't get too enthusiastic about Cruz either...can you imagine someone in the UK going for a party leadership position saying they would "carpet bomb Syria?" It is a strange old world.

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  7. To hell with a new president every four years. We need a monarchy.

    Trump scares the jeeters out of some people.
    Grandma Hillary scares the shit out of me.

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    1. Would Elizabeth take us back, please? Soon?

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  8. Don't think there is much to choose from in Britain either.

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  9. Trump is scary, but Cruz is just as bad. This is not a reason to celebrate! In the end, though, I don't think either one of them are electable.

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    1. Exactly! Trump is rude, mean and a blowhard. But Cruz is much scarier.

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    3. Sorry, misspelled stuff LOL What I wanted to say was, Cruz is very scary. Any "leader/politician" that believes the content of the Bible is a great blueprint to guide their Nation frightens me to no end.

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    4. Yes - and when he says stuff like god's law being above all other laws!!

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    5. He's a nut. Believe me, he will never win. Americans have elected some unlikely people in the past (Arnold Schwarzenegger comes to mind) but he's more in the Barry Goldwater mold and the mass of the electorate won't go for him. Even Republican moderates don't like him.

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  10. I think the American people are sending a message to Washington by supporting someone like Trump who uses his own money or someone like Sanders who uses small donations and isn't "owned" by the Billionaires.Wake me up when the actual vote is taken in November!

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    1. Bingo, you are absolutely correct!

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  11. Don't knock em too much John. After all, we picked Thatcher! President Steve Reed has a nice ring to it. Then he'd get a blue plaque.

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  12. What are Americans thinking? That questions assumes my fellow countrymen and women are capable of such a feat.
    All I can say is stand-bye, this nightmare is just beginning.

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    1. Actually there are many Americans thinking the same thing, possibly that the field of choice is bad, few good ones and this one cannot possibly be the right one.

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    2. Someone needs to change their name to "none of the above" and get their name on the ballot, they'd win by a landslide.

      Seriously though, I'm an Englishman in the US and we were talking about the primary at work this morning. There was a lot of concern among the people there that there was nobody that they would vote for.

      Trump = plain crazy
      Cruz = scary crazy
      Clinton = devious career politician
      Saunders = well meaning but unrealistic

      Oh damn it I don't want to talk politics but I've done it :^(

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  13. I can't believe anyone could vote for fart features. Unbelievable. Thank heavens for that.

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  14. Well frankly anyone would be better than Trump but look at the final outturn... only one vote in the college difference this race is a very very long way from run yet.

    I'd love to see Bernie Saunders get in - oh the irony of that.... and if Corbyn got in here then UK/USA left wing socialist alliance ... My Dad will be turning in his grave at the thought!

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  15. There is a long road yet to travel!! Don't get too excited about anything just yet!!!

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  16. Pity we don't have "None of the Above" on the ballot.

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    1. Ah, you beat me to it. Should remember to read all the comments before posting

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  17. Cruz would not be an improvement over Trump... his family's religious beliefs include 50's standards. 1650's. They also believe that they and their fellows are ordained by God to be rulers of empires and principalities; that they are destined to create and rule a world-wide theocracy. Ever read The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood? That will look like a cakewalk if these people ever get their hands on real power.

    The sky isn't falling; yet... I'm not laying odds against it, however.

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  18. I'm voting for Hillary.

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  19. bernie, bernie, he's my man!

    cruz was not born in this country, therefore he cannot be president. period. and donald the rump can go to hell!

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    1. You are, of course, WRONG, Anne Marie in philly -- the child of an American citizen is an American citizen no matter where the child is born. This includes Ted Cruz (Canada), John McCain (Panama), and Barack Obama (your guess is as good as mine) because one of their parents was an American citizen. The myth of which you seem so certain is apparently unsquashable among the uninformed.

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  20. Oh Gawd .... I hate politics, I'm thinking of declaring our little patch of Welsh hillside a separate sovereign state and being the Queen of all I survey. Don't forget to curtsey when you call ;-)

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  21. That was just the GOP Clown Car vote. Iowa generally picks the loony-toons to win.

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  23. I thought I was the only person in the US who thought that .
    I cannot understand what these people are thinking.

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    1. You have much company.

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  24. No, no still no sense at all. Ted Cruz came from the same clown car.

    Out of the frying pan into the fire?

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  25. Trump will never and I mean NEVER be President. He is such a joke.

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  26. Gosh John i don't like any of them...the only one i like in the least IS Trump. He's willing to talk and bring up alot of things have been on a lot of American minds...I mean Cruz .. seriously? He acts, looks and speaks like some southern preacher....no way... Hillary.. she just brings too much baggage...Bernie.. seriously? Is Trump crude and crass YES... would i prefer her was not quite so 'in your face' YES Perhaps Congress can keep him under control a little...They effectively tied many a president's hands including the current one...... deb

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    1. The current president's hands are not tied by Congress, the Courts, the Constitution, or anything else. He rules by fiat and executive orders and everyone's fear of being called racist.

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  27. It' s a small relief...but I think we've gone from one populist to a more controlled version of the same thing. And on the other side of the fence, I'm not sure about how trustworthy Hilary is....ah welll...

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  28. Some Sense???? Um, no. Cruz is as moronic as Trump, but Trump is trolling hard and people are buying it. Please, we need a third party here but it will never, ever happen. God save us all with this next election.

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    1. We need to break the two party stranglehold. That would force them all to work together. In the meantime, it's a shitshow.

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  29. No thinking at all over here. Hence - Trump. Who would vote for a meglomaniac if they had any sense?

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  30. It's all a big clusterf@ck.
    Sorry, world. We Americans are insane.

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  31. Think we can't go even more stupid?

    I'll see your Trump and raise you one Cruz.

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  32. As an American I can only speak for myself and those I have talked with. None of us understand how Trump has made it this far and we don't like Cruz either. Hillary is untrustworthy and Sanders, though a really good guy, is not going to get his policies through in this country. This election season is like nothing we have ever seen here. CRAZY.

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  33. Well this American is embarrassed by it all.
    Trump wasn't the "top" in the Iowa caucus . . .
    Personally . . . Cruz will never get my vote . . .
    Embarrassing to say the least . . .
    And the actions to try and manipulate for younger votes . . .
    A mess!

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  34. The weirdest thing about all of this is that my governor (Kasich) seems practically sane in comparison to these Republican frontrunners.

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  35. I feel we have a "Damned if we do" thing happening here. Scary.

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  36. Though either Trump or Cruz is like choosing cancer over a heart attack, I'd have to choose Trump because Cruz is crazy and a religious zealot. Both are mad/bad. Even the devout republicans I know don't like either one of them. They want Rubio or Kasich. Let's hope the republicans come to their senses and dump Trump and Cruz. Me, I love Hillary and have for many years.

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  37. Iowa is the first state to vote. That's why it's such a big deal. The first state had been New Hampshire, which is the next battleground, but Iowa wanted more attention, true story, so they pulled up their caucases ahead of New Hampshire. Both are small states with small, rural populations. Things there are done by caucus, where voters registered as either Republican (boo) or Democrat (yay) gather as a group to form a consensus who they support. Hillary Clinton did well in early voting in 2008 and was beaten by Barack Obama, so there are miles to go before we sleep. I'm a Democrat, a Franklin Roosevelt, New Dealer Democrat. I'm more of a Socialist. I believe the rich and business and Wall Street and banks ought to be taxed and regulated more. I'm not satisfied being told that their accumulation of goods and money and services somehow benefits me. Roosevelt said we need to drive out the economic royalists (no offense intended) and it is just as true today. I only get biblical when it supports my particular belief at the time, but it reminds me of the money changers in the temple. We need someone to go in there, turn over the tables, scatter the money and kick the SOB's out of the doors of our Congress, our White House and our government.
    I think we Americans must look psychotic to the rest of the world. We pander porn in our films and entertainment, yet we have people who claim a moral highground. You have to be very careful of the messianic political types. I think Jesus and God have better things to do than whisper in their ears how we're all to behave. We talk about freedom and democracy yet had no issue fomenting political upheaval that suited our national interest, right or wrong. I couldn't believe Bush was elected, yet he was twice!! I would have been shocked had Romney won against Obama in 2008. We have a constitutional right to bear arms, going back to that little difference of opinion we had with GB in 1776, but now that right results in the slaughter of innocents. How does one balance it? I come down on the side of the underdog, the downtrodden, the innocent, the poor, the suffering, the hungry. Maybe that's the strength of America. We take the "wretched refuse of teeming shores" and we make the best of it.
    Anyway, I've recently decided to support Bernie Sanders. He's a socialist who is forced to run as a Democrat because the US is a two party system. Third party candidates as far back as Teddy Roosevelt don't succeed here. Does Sanders have a chance? Depends on which Republican survives their cannibalistic, vicious, nasty process. Can you imagine what kind of person you have to be to survive that?
    In the early 1930's, the folksy American humorist, Will Rogers, said he did not belong to an organized political party, that he was a Democrat. Seems things have changed this time and the Republicans can say that.
    Back to Roosevelt, again, he said "this nation will endure as it has endured". I believe that. In spite of all the grid lock and social elitism and economic disparity and hypocrisy, we will endure and we mean to do the right thing. We don't always pull it off, but I believe most of us want to do the right thing by our fellow man. It lies in figuring out how to do it, doesn't it?

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    1. Carlnepa for President....Sanders can be your VP!

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  39. believe me, he's no better

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  40. The comments above pretty much say it all, John. You wouldn't want to live in a place where Cruz is the CEO. I think one of the first thing he'll do is somehow overturn the gay marriage law, and bring back DOMA. I don't think you want that. The guy's a real horror show.

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  41. Would this be a fair summary of Cruz's policies:
    - The truth of marriage is one man and one woman
    - Make abortion illegal
    - Secure the border (presumably the southern one) "build a wall that works, triple border security, and put in place the surveillance and biometric tracking to secure the border."
    - Belives "The United States of America is the exceptional nation, the nation other countries aspire to be like."
    - Belives that American rights do not come from the government, they come from God"
    - Supports Kim Davis (the clerk who refused to issue same sex marriage licence)

    Enough there for me to think he is no better.


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    1. YOu are right, what an idiot.

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  42. i never thought i would feel bad seeing 'the donald' lose but i was appalled to see cruz win iowa. this country is frigging crazy.

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  43. This is only the beginning and we are caught between a rock and a hard place.
    Cruz would be a disaster, at least Donald would not be a puppet.
    Pam in TX.

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  44. Fascinating to read the American readers comments. The British media seems to take no account of the individual person in America, So all we get is "America loves/hates Trump". Much better to read what normal everyday people think and why.

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    1. Lets hope Clinton gets in then..... Cruz and Trump.........fools together

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    2. They are not fools, but they are maniacs.

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    3. Trump/Cruz/Rubio all scary dudes.
      Clinton is a war monger, I've been a Sanders supporter for a good long while. Was over the moon when he decided to run!

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  45. The one who won is equally frightening. What a mess this is.

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  46. Oh Gosh no Clinton no more Clintons.
    It would be the selling of the White House again to the highest bidder. Every place Hillary went as Sectary of State money flowed into her and Bubba's pockets. Plus we would need a White House with a male only staff.
    Then there is Benghazi and her lack of any knowledge, understanding or compassion just covering her butt. Not to mention the e-mails.
    Many years ago I was a Hillary supporter because I thought all the garbage she lived through with good old boy bubba she would and could be a great advocate of the middle class but instead she has morphed into another good old boy.
    As a Democrat women my party has let me down again and again.
    Plus we need to get rid of the Electoral College.
    Trump is an blustering fool but there is a small truth in what he pontificates about. There is a huge amount of people who do not live on the liberalize East or West Coast who are paying through their taxes and livelihood for ill wasteful spending.
    No one listens to us and we are MAD AS HELL. So Trump has realized this and ran with it.
    There are no real choices again. The only hope is to elect a congress who will work for the people and stop pandering for money and vote buying.

    cheers, parsnip and thehamish

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    1. Small truth in what he pontificates about!

      I am sorry but I cannot reaped anyone who Belives an answer is to "bomb the shit out of ISIS" - does he really think that is possible?

      Oh, and yes, a policy that we will stop something until we can "figure out what the hell is going on" - well that is so insightful.

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    2. The small truth is people are upset and mad at congress and he has jumped on that. Not that Trump has any answers.

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  47. All I can say John is thank God we don't have the same sort of electoral system as America.

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    1. You do not know how lucky you are !

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    2. What I would give to have more than two main parties to vote for. It is so frigging aggravating how people do not want varied choices than what we have.

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  48. I am in America and this jerk is just as scary as Trump. A religious nut versus a wealthy blow hard.
    Going with the other party...at least they speak about real issues and solutions.

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  49. Bernie Sanders is the only candidate not bought and paid for by major corporations. Only one of the reasons I am voting for him.

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  50. God and Money ... 2 good reasons not to vote for those two :)
    I wish some good old politicians were running . . normal political types .. you trust them but you don't .. you know them, because they are politicians .. they do and speak a certain way .. Trump .. I cannot imagine this country living through him as a President .. and Clinton should never ever even be considered .. do they have to have prison ID photos for people to understand that ? There is no such thing as an honest Clinton. Just wipe them off your mind and go on to someone new in the future .. or lets just get Queen Elizabeth to take us back. Yeah .. that's the ticket !

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  51. So Bernie just lost to Clinton.

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    1. By ever the slimmest of numbers in the first state. And delegates do not have to vote for the person they were originally chosen to vote for when the actual nomination takes place. Considering Sanders was down by double digits less than 6 months ago speaks volumes about the momentum of his campaign.

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  52. I think the biggest issue is that there are no more moderates, no one that will compromise with the other party. So our two party system has us SO divided that NOTHING gets done.

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  53. What scares me I live next door to the craziness of what is America, Cruz and Trump a reality show that needs to be cancelled.


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  54. Join the club America - we have the religious right nutters running Australia into the ground down here. Thank god our onion chomping PM has been dumped by his party. But a lot of his clingers on are still in parliament.

    There should be a complete separation of church and politics in all countries.

    No frootloops allowed in politics.

    Anyone over 70 should have compulsory retirement from politics.

    And if not born in the country shouldn't be allowed to run in politics for that country.

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  55. Clinton is awful, the same old same old. Not an original or better thought in her head IMHO.

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  56. Cruz would be a far worse choice than Trump! Hopefully, when the general election takes place Hillary or even Bernie will pull through in the end!!!!

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  57. Bernie, Bernie, Bernie!

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  58. What a rat- faced piece of s##t.....Trump is no better. GO BERNIE....

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  59. As bad a Trump is, Cruz is the scariest one of them all.

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  60. Bernie Sanders has MY vote. And if he picked Elizabeth Warren as a running mate I'd be ecstatic.

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  61. A republican will not be the next president; it is not the way the country is moving i.e. there are more democrats than republicans as the last two elections have shown. Cruz is awful but at least he is somewhat house-broken unlike Trump. Bernie wont get the nomination so I guess I ll hold my nose and vote for Hill.

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  62. Most of our politicians are megalomaniacs and psychotics. I keep voting, but don't have much faith in the system.

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  63. The threat of Trump with Sarah Palin anywhere in his government is a nightmare I keep hoping I'll wake up from...I'm seriously threatening to move to Canada if he's elected. What is this country thinking...I live here and I don't have a clue what this country is thinking. :(

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